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		<title>DavidOdden at 02:56, 2 July 2004</title>
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		<updated>2004-07-02T02:56:05Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 02:56, 2 July 2004&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I&amp;#039;m thinking this isn&amp;#039;t the right way to add something in the talk section &amp;#039;cuz I can&amp;#039;t see the original comment but working from memory... I&amp;#039;d say that is a good example of the contextual nature of certainty. I was developing this point on HPO when the hypertroll problem persuaded me to just leave, so this never got worked out; but I think a lot of confusion follows from ignoring the fact that truth is a mental recognition of fact, and it isn&amp;#039;t a particular sentence that you happen to utter as a way of telling others about that recognition. Anyhow, I think the problem is important enough to deserve a page.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I&amp;#039;m thinking this isn&amp;#039;t the right way to add something in the talk section &amp;#039;cuz I can&amp;#039;t see the original comment but working from memory... I&amp;#039;d say that is a good example of the contextual nature of certainty. I was developing this point on HPO when the hypertroll problem persuaded me to just leave, so this never got worked out; but I think a lot of confusion follows from ignoring the fact that truth is a mental recognition of fact, and it isn&amp;#039;t a particular sentence that you happen to utter as a way of telling others about that recognition. Anyhow, I think the problem is important enough to deserve a page.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;There isn&#039;t a clear convention about this in Wiki-land, but I think it&#039;s somewhat important if you make a major change in a page that you say something in the talk part that says roughly what you did and why. So for example, what motivates deleting a significant part of the Certainty entry? This is just a suggestion: the point is, I&#039;m inclined to restore the deleted parts, so I&#039;d like to hear what the reasoning is.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>DavidOdden</name></author>
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		<title>DavidOdden: Sort of a beta comment</title>
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		<updated>2004-06-28T21:11:12Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Sort of a beta comment&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I don&amp;#039;t think that one&amp;#039;s certain conclusions become wrong when new things are learned.  I think one differentiates between two contexts that one previously had no reason to differentiate.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I don&amp;#039;t think that one&amp;#039;s certain conclusions become wrong when new things are learned.  I think one differentiates between two contexts that one previously had no reason to differentiate.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;== Sort of a beta comment ==&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;I&#039;m thinking this isn&#039;t the right way to add something in the talk section &#039;cuz I can&#039;t see the original comment but working from memory... I&#039;d say that is a good example of the contextual nature of certainty. I was developing this point on HPO when the hypertroll problem persuaded me to just leave, so this never got worked out; but I think a lot of confusion follows from ignoring the fact that truth is a mental recognition of fact, and it isn&#039;t a particular sentence that you happen to utter as a way of telling others about that recognition. Anyhow, I think the problem is important enough to deserve a page.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>DavidOdden</name></author>
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		<title>Bearster at 05:35, 28 June 2004</title>
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		<updated>2004-06-28T05:35:37Z</updated>

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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Does the fact that water boils at 200 degrees on a mountaintop show that it is an error to say that water boils at 212 at sea level?&lt;br /&gt;
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I don&amp;#039;t think that one&amp;#039;s certain conclusions become wrong when new things are learned.  I think one differentiates between two contexts that one previously had no reason to differentiate.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bearster</name></author>
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